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LIID Week 99: Spidey and The Goblin! by johntrumbull LIID Week 99: Spidey and The Goblin! by johntrumbull
The Line It Is Drawn 99 for 7/19/12: The theme this week was "Era-Displaced Comic Book Characters."

The suggestion I chose was, "1965 green goblin in 2012 being kind of creeped out by all the stuff he did 'Really? Gwen? The girl who went to high school w/ Harry?'" I picked it mainly because it gave me a chance to mock the idiotic "Sins Past" storyline by J. Michael Straczynski, where it's "revealed" that Peter Parker's girlfriend Gwen Stacy secretly had babies fathered by Norman Osborn, even though it made NO sense and was light-years out of character for both of them. And because it's comics, the twins of course rapidly aged and became supervillains themselves. It almost makes the Spider-Clone look good...

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:iconrevan005:
Revan005 Featured By Owner Feb 13, 2015
Funny idea.
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:iconluizpratta:
Luizpratta Featured By Owner Jan 27, 2015
I think current 2010's decade Marvel stuff simply hate Spider-Man... First, this; then, One More Day (Quesada said divorce would be a "bad example". As if a deal with Mephisto weren't...). And more recently... "Superior" Spider-Man...
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Lion-O-VS-He-Man Featured By Owner Jan 3, 2015
BWAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA! Brilliant!
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SquishTheMovie Featured By Owner Dec 24, 2014
Thank you! lol..
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:iconvanghool:
vanghool Featured By Owner Nov 22, 2014
Okay, so you don't like Sins Past and I don't blame you or anyone else at all for it but how do you feel about JMS's Spider-Totem story line?
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:iconjohntrumbull:
johntrumbull Featured By Owner Nov 26, 2014  Professional Traditional Artist
Dumb idea.
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:iconvanghool:
vanghool Featured By Owner Nov 26, 2014
Really? How come? I thought it was a cleaver new way to look at the character.
Is there any JMS story you liked?
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:iconjohntrumbull:
johntrumbull Featured By Owner Jan 2, 2015  Professional Traditional Artist
I was a big fan of Babylon 5, but I don't really like most of what I've read of his comics work. I guess JMS is just someone who's better at writing his own characters rather than someone else's.

His book on screenwriting was very well done.
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:iconaerohybrid:
AeroHybrid Featured By Owner Sep 21, 2014
We'll never speak of this storyline...EVER AGAIN!!! :D

(p.s.: I hope the directors do not introduce this bullshit in the reboot movies ASM but I'm certain they won't bring it)
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:iconjohntrumbull:
johntrumbull Featured By Owner Nov 26, 2014  Professional Traditional Artist
God, that would be really dumb. So you've got to figure that there's a 50/50 chance. ;)
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:iconaerohybrid:
AeroHybrid Featured By Owner Nov 26, 2014
indeed and besides Sony would never ever do that ;)

Or else they'll alienate the fanbase
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:iconimdabatman:
ImdaBatman Featured By Owner Jun 19, 2014  Hobbyist Traditional Artist
Do what I do, Norman: pretend it never happened
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:iconoodark-dawnoo:
oODark-DawnOo Featured By Owner 6 days ago
Like the Clone Saga! The 90's cartoon treated it as an alternate universe! Why shouldn't we?
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:iconimdabatman:
ImdaBatman Featured By Owner 6 days ago  Hobbyist Traditional Artist
the "director's cut" version of that story was actually much better
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:iconoodark-dawnoo:
oODark-DawnOo Featured By Owner 6 days ago
Oh... well, it was still a major ass-pull on Marvel's part. Spidey's gone through a lot of bad storylines: The Clone Saga, Superior, OMD...and yet he's still alive and kicking. I don't know if he's the best or the most popular superhero, but I can safely say he's the most LOVED superhero of all. I haven't seen anyone talking crap about him, which pleases me.
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ImdaBatman Featured By Owner 6 days ago  Hobbyist Traditional Artist
very true

(here's the one i mentioned www.comicvine.com/spider-man-t… )
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oODark-DawnOo Featured By Owner 6 days ago
Thanks a bunch! I'll find out more about it!
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:iconimdabatman:
ImdaBatman Featured By Owner 6 days ago  Hobbyist Traditional Artist
you're welcome :)
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:iconjohntrumbull:
johntrumbull Featured By Owner Aug 17, 2014  Professional Traditional Artist
Yeah, at the end of the day, that's the best method to deal with bad stories.
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:iconimdabatman:
ImdaBatman Featured By Owner Aug 21, 2014  Hobbyist Traditional Artist
:D
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tokyofox200 Featured By Owner Jun 9, 2014
I knew someday I'd hear something that made the clone nonsense sound good but this is a new low...
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:iconlithographicdan:
LithographicDan Featured By Owner Feb 18, 2014  Hobbyist Digital Artist
They actually had that as a plot?  Dang.  Glad I'm pretty much over superhero comics (reading Hellboy, Rocketeer, Usagi Yojimbo and KotDT at the moment).  I thought they couldn't top the clone madness for shear stupidity.
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:iconjohntrumbull:
johntrumbull Featured By Owner Aug 17, 2014  Professional Traditional Artist
Nice choices of books!
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:iconlithographicdan:
LithographicDan Featured By Owner Aug 18, 2014  Hobbyist Digital Artist
Thanks!
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Toadman005 Featured By Owner Jan 28, 2014  Hobbyist Traditional Artist
God yes, that storyline was like insultingly bad fan fiction put to print....
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BalloonPrincess Featured By Owner Jan 4, 2014  Hobbyist Filmographer
Wow!  That's really telling how things are rolling these days ...

:heart::heart::heart:Awesome work!:heart::heart::heart:
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:iconjohntrumbull:
johntrumbull Featured By Owner Aug 17, 2014  Professional Traditional Artist
Thank you!
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BalloonPrincess Featured By Owner Aug 18, 2014  Hobbyist Filmographer
:heart::heart::heart::heart:My pleasure!:heart::heart::heart::heart:
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steel-worker Featured By Owner Oct 15, 2013
To me,Straczynski is the worst writer in Spiderman history,I'd simply threw away all the Spidey comics written by him."The other"is perhaps even more stupid than"Sins past"I do think that his take on Thor was more decent,but he is so,so bad,that he was unable to make a interesting adaptation of that easy,almost foolish novel World War Z.
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:iconjohntrumbull:
johntrumbull Featured By Owner Oct 18, 2013  Professional Traditional Artist
He seems to be one of those writers who runs very hot & cold.  I was a HUGE fan of Babylon 5 in the 90s, but I don't care for most of his comic book work.
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steel-worker Featured By Owner Oct 18, 2013
Well,I do respect the last part,and,I do admit that I don't know Babylon 5,maybe I should.But I'm still that if he cant make something sense full from a novel with such very easy theme,he just sucks.
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FreakyComics Featured By Owner Aug 18, 2013
Really funny and true nice work!
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:iconjohntrumbull:
johntrumbull Featured By Owner Oct 18, 2013  Professional Traditional Artist
Thanks!
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:iconkereea:
Kereea Featured By Owner Jun 5, 2013  Hobbyist Traditional Artist
The scariest thing about this is GG making sense. I;'m always scared when he makes sense.
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:iconjohntrumbull:
johntrumbull Featured By Owner Oct 18, 2013  Professional Traditional Artist
Well, in this case, the Goblin's basically just speaking for me.  :)
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:iconbritts-demesne:
britts-demesne Featured By Owner May 16, 2013  Hobbyist General Artist
Oh man, you are the the shizz! Thanks for the humor and for making me laugh.
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:iconjohntrumbull:
johntrumbull Featured By Owner May 30, 2013  Professional Traditional Artist
My pleasure! Thanks for visiting & commenting!
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:iconbritts-demesne:
britts-demesne Featured By Owner May 31, 2013  Hobbyist General Artist
No problem - thanks for poking fun at Marvel; some of their story plots are just....weird.
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:iconjohntrumbull:
johntrumbull Featured By Owner Jun 1, 2013  Professional Traditional Artist
No argument there!
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DragonRex1 Featured By Owner Apr 28, 2013
This story in my opinion is worse than One More Day. Say what you will about how much wrong it is and how it goes against everything Spider-Man is, but it didn't destroy the image of one of the most important characters in not only Spider-Man's book but in comic book history.
THIS, dealing with the devil and the idea of making Doc Ock turn Spider-Man dark and violent because they wanted to write him like Batman, yes they actually said this, are okay in Joe Quesada's little world. Peter and Mary Jane being together? Pfft... not even in the Ultimate Universe, and they at least have a more legitimate reason, that Peter is dead.
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:iconjohntrumbull:
johntrumbull Featured By Owner May 3, 2013  Professional Traditional Artist
Arguing which idea was worse strikes me as remarkably futile. Can't we just say that both were horrible ideas that never should have been done and move on to comic books we actually ENJOY? :)
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DragonRex1 Featured By Owner May 3, 2013
Fair enough.
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CaptainofVingilot Featured By Owner Feb 27, 2013  Hobbyist Writer
I always felt it just devalued Gwen ias a character. That said, it's great.
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:iconjohntrumbull:
johntrumbull Featured By Owner Mar 2, 2013  Professional Traditional Artist
Yeah, nothing that JMS wrote for Gwen was in character for her. I wish that storyline had never been approved.
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CaptainofVingilot Featured By Owner Mar 5, 2013  Hobbyist Writer
Apparently the original intention was to have them be Peter's children, but Marvel squelched it.
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:iconjohntrumbull:
johntrumbull Featured By Owner May 3, 2013  Professional Traditional Artist
Yep. This was not any better. They should've just ditched the concept altogether.
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:iconcaptainofvingilot:
CaptainofVingilot Featured By Owner May 4, 2013  Hobbyist Writer
If they'd been Pete's kids, it would have added an extra facet, because Norman Osborn is that much of a petty dick to keep Peter's kids away from him and experiment on them - my personal headcanon is Mayday is tucked away in some orphanage, while Norman lets Peter and MJ think she's dead.

In other words, it would have been plausible.
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:iconjohntrumbull:
johntrumbull Featured By Owner May 5, 2013  Professional Traditional Artist
Still dumb, IMO. Peter Parker shouldn't have kids, as he should be a young adult at most.
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:iconcaptainofvingilot:
CaptainofVingilot Featured By Owner May 5, 2013  Hobbyist Writer
I disagree. I think that he is, by now - he's nearly thirty, no matter what Quesada would have you believe - old enough to conceivably have one young kid, in and around the age of Danielle Cage.
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:iconjohntrumbull:
johntrumbull Featured By Owner May 6, 2013  Professional Traditional Artist
I'm not debating that he might be written as that age now, I'm saying that he never should've been aged past his early twenties. The character doesn't work as well if he's a full-fledged adult.
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